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Sage, Winston, Scott, Loomis, Thomas & Thomas, St Croix: Cheap Fly Rods?
Posted by fliesandfinswest on Tuesday, November 28 @ 13:54:13 PST
I had an opportunity to do a little fishing back east over the holidays. Brookies, rainbows and browns were the targets with the possibility of a few landlocked salmon mixed in for good measure. This was not one of those long planned and pondered trips that require months of research, tying and plotting but instead it was one of those trips that provides respite from
all that “holiday cheer” and allows you to burn up a that extra piece of pumpkin pie with a little riverside walk.
These days air travel has become a real pain and the real Thanksgiving miracle occurs if and when you and your bags make it to the same destination. This trip, rather than throwing the dice by checking my expensive rods, and too leery of the airlines “holiday good cheer” to try and carry them on, I decided to do something a little different and it really got me thinking.
I started out in this game many years ago with extremely cheap fly rods. Alright “cheap” may not be the best way to describe them because it really speaks to the quality and not the price. These were inexpensive to be sure, less than $50. As for the cheap part I was really not sure at the time, however, on this trip I intended to figure that out. Over the years I upgraded to the higher quality more expensive rods that most avid fly fisherman have come to rely on. Sage, Winston, Scott, Loomis, Thomas & Thomas, St Croix, and many more offer their full range of moderate to expensive fly rod options. Construction material, performance, marketing, demands are only a few of the factors that dictate the prices of these products. I have often wondered if there was a real difference. So I left my high priced favorites at home and purchased a cheap rod from a “big box” retailer when I arrived in Boston.
I have to say I had no buyer’s remorse paying $44.70 for what look like a quality fly rod. I was even given the option of a 4 year insurance policy against breakage for an extra $4.75. I declined. The brand is really not all that important. There are plenty of inexpensive options and, for the most part, they all seemed to have the same quality. Sure they lacked nickel silver eyes and reel seats and the construction methods and material are not quite the same, but nearly all of the options were light weight with nice cork handles and a fine finish.
Once on the water and loaded up with a line the difference truly became apparent. The rod I bought was marked as a 6/7 weight but is was extremely whippy, soft and lacking backbone. The tip had a tendency to be disproportionately whippy and bent way deeper than the rest of the rod. It felt more like a 4 weight. It is important to understand that the backbone of the rod makes it easier to fight fish in heavy water and makes long accurate casts into the wind possible. Soft rods are usually better for beginners as they make the cast timing a little easier to figure out. Even with that said this inexpensive rod was soft and difficult to cast. It was easily overloaded and not very consistent. I was surprised in some ways however. I expected to either find no difference between the moderately priced higher end rods ($250-400) or find that the rod would be unfishable. It was neither. I fished with it and would call it less that ideal but it would make a great option in a pinch. It caught plenty of fish.
I have fished some other rods in the $100 price range that came with lifetime guarantees and they worked very well, but they are not always readily available. I guess the point is that I would not recommend relying on one of these $40-60 fly rods, even to the beginner. I question their quality as well as their longevity. However, if left in a pinch, i.e. the airlines lost you luggage, they may make a great option particularly if the water you are fishing does not require long accurate casts in heavy current. I am very interested your opinions on this subject.
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Re: Sage, Winston, Scott, Loomis, Thomas & Thomas, St Croix: Cheap Fly Rods? by waterwhippa on Tuesday, November 28 @ 16:04:10 PST http://salmonriverspecialists.com | | Interesting topic. I have found that Temple Fork Outfitters can put you into the game for less than $100. I sure don't cast like an expert but to be totally honest the TFO casts just as well as any of the high end rods in my arsenal. |
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Re: Sage, Winston, Scott, Loomis, Thomas & Thomas, St Croix: Cheap Fly Rods? by jeremy on Tuesday, November 28 @ 17:31:39 PST http://www.ineedasimplesolution.com | i like orvis fly rods .. especially because of the price points for various rods and what i will be using them for .. also, rather than having 1 necessarily excellent rod .. i like to to have 2 or 3 rods for each application most for back up purposes ... and to be honest i view things pretty much as freshwater and saltwater .. so, in freshwater i always fish 6 wt rods so rather than spending a ton of money on 1 rod .. i wll distribute that money and get 2 or 3 rods with different FLEX INDEXES .. and the flex indexes are unique to the orvis manufacturing .. it is an engineering system that raters the flex of a rod (tip, mid or full) based on how i like a rod to feel for me and what i will be tryin to achieve ... so in freshwater i might go with 1 orvis tls rod ($250) .. and 2 clearwater rods ($150 each) ... so the total cost is $550.00 for 3 rods with varying flex indexes for various conditions (wind, light tippet, dry fly, heavy streamers etc..).. all of which have 25 year guarantee and all of which function as GREAT back up rods if any one or two of the three break .. and i have been on trips where i have needed 3 rods because 2 have broken ...
Then -- apply the same exact thing to saltwater or steelhead .. i get 3 rods .. two 9 weights and 1 eight weight .. all 3 with varying FLEX INDEXES ... same concepts as freshwater applies ...
BOTTOM LINE: so now, i have 6 fly rods for the price that some guys pay for 2 fly rods (1 fresh and 1 salt) ... all of which have little intracacies that i understand and use for specific fly fishing applications .. all of which are covered under a 25 year guarantee by a manufacturer who has been making fly rods since the Civil war time period .. so, it is a safe assumption that they will be able in business throughout my lifetime to honor their guarantees to me as a customer ....
IF I WAS IN A PINCH WITHOUT GEAR: personally, i would try to find the nearest orvis dealer .. or buy a rod online to match or extend my personal fly rod portfolio (if it could be shipped to me in time to fish) .... if neither of those were possible .. i suppose i would do what you did and get a $50 dollar rod .... but then it would bug me .. because now i am left with a $50 rod that absolutely stinks and i will never want to use again .. where as, i could have probably justified spending just a bit more to add to my personal fly rod collection .....
i can personally justify spending 100 or 150 on something (fly rod or not) that is of an overall quality nature .. but it really just urkes me to spend even 20 bucks on total garbage ...... i guess, to some degree, i value a certain level of quality ....
-- anyway - that's just how i have done things since i got my first fly rod and how i continue to do things .. maybe its not the best way, but its my way ...and it works for me ... |
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Re: Sage, Winston, Scott, Loomis, Thomas & Thomas, St Croix: Cheap Fly Rods? by jason-c on Tuesday, November 28 @ 18:44:15 PST http://www.fliesandfinswest.com | | Great input Jeremy. That is the difference. I have a full flex 4 weight from Orvis and it is very soft, but it is consistant and distributes the energy throughout the whole rod. It flexes into the handle. It performs well. The problem is that many of the rivers out west don't have fly shops anywhere near them. If you have busted your rods, lost your rods or had them stolen and have the opportunity to buy a new one that is reputable then that is what I would do too. But if you are a long ways from anything and that is not an option you can get by for a day or two with even the cheapest rod. In a way that was a surprise to me. In the past I may have spent the $50 on gas driving around trying to find a shop or worse I would have gone home. By the Way-Thanks for showing me the Kennibec. That is a sweet river! I can't wait to hit it with the dries. |
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Re: Sage, Winston, Scott, Loomis, Thomas & Thomas, St Croix: Cheap Fly Rods? by wesfishes on Wednesday, November 29 @ 18:00:12 PST | | I agree, in a pinch these cheaper rods are always an option. I have many fly rods, in the expensive range(purchased mostly on guide programs which makes it much more affordable)I have a few St. Croix and a few Temple Fork. The Temple Fork I fish is totally for Czech nymphing-10' 5wt. When I am dabbing it works great-if you catch large fish with it, it bends all the way to the reel seat and does not carry long casts like a 9' sage xp. But, for the purpose I bought it for it serves great. So, I think purpose is more what you look for in a rod. If it serves at $89 why spend $615, unless you are looking for the bragging rights. |
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Re: Sage, Winston, Scott, Loomis, Thomas & Thomas, St Croix: Cheap Fly Rods? by kray on Thursday, November 30 @ 12:21:41 PST http://www.wyomingflyfishing.com | Temple Forks are good hardy fly rods. Our rack of guide rods here in the shop are all temple forks. I even throw the Jim Teeny for streamers. If you havent looked at Echo fly rods by Rajeff they are another good low cost rod.
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Re: Sage, Winston, Scott, Loomis, Thomas & Thomas, St Croix: Cheap Fly Rods? by kray on Thursday, November 30 @ 12:22:11 PST http://www.wyomingflyfishing.com | Oh ya but nothing beats a Winston!!
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Re: Sage, Winston, Scott, Loomis, Thomas & Thomas, St Croix: Cheap Fly Rods? by KodiakCommando on Thursday, November 30 @ 12:43:41 PST http://www.fishalaskamagazine.com | I could definetley see getting a rod in the 60 dollar range for pinch, better than no rod and waiting for your luggage.
Up here i don't have that problem as on all alaska airlines flights as well as era you are allowed to carry on one rod per person even if it's a two piece.
I also agree that if not in a pinch those rods shouldn't be used. I really am a believer in you get what you pay for when it comes to rods. I have a few TFO's but most of my rods are high end sages. Like Wesfishes i get some good guide discounts, otherwise i may not have been able to afford my Sage TCR rods which would be a shame cuz their the best rods out their in my experience. |
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